• http://www.ChristianHeretic.com Drew Costen

    What did you dislike about Toodledo? Out of all of them, so far it’s my favourite.

  • http://www.the20life.com David Pierce

    Honestly, my only gripe is that it’s just UGLY. I just didn’t like using it, so I stopped. Otherwise, it is quite good though.

  • http://www.ChristianHeretic.com Drew Costen

    Understood. On that we agree. :) Still, aesthetics aside, I find it to be extremely powerful, particularly with repeating events, so I’ve stuck with it.

  • http://www.amynievera.com/ Amy Nievera

    Have you suggested these additions to the Wunderlist creators?

  • Evan

    I’m a huge Toodledo fan as well, but I agree- it isn’t very pretty to look at. Except for that, it does everything that I look for. You have intrigued me enough to look at Wunderlist, though. Ever since getting my first Mac, pretty has moved up the priority list for me.

  • http://twitter.com/_Pablo_ Pablo Fernández

    Sadly it doesn’t support any of my platforms: Symbian^3 and Linux. :( I really wish it did, as this thing looks much better than anything I’ve tested for organizing To-do lists and such. I hope they will someday port Wunderlist to these “minority platforms” (although Symbian is quite popoular where I live, but there in America it’s regarded as a dead platform :( ).

  • http://www.the20life.com David Pierce

    No, but their forums and blog make it sound like they’re working on it. And here’s hoping they’re loyal readers :)

  • http://www.the20life.com David Pierce

    HA. I know the feeling. If owning a Mac has taught me one thing, it’s that there’s huge value in enjoying something. If I like to use it, I’ll use it. Doesn’t matter, really, if it has everything – if I don’t enjoy using it, I won’t.

    Do you use Toodledo now, or something else?

  • Anonymous

    Nice! Not quite three years but I’ve spent the better part of today going through the various options and was not satisfied with one or the other. was actually looking for your post on Evernote + RTM when I found this article and quite frankly I giggled with glee (like a schoolgirl) – fingers crossed I’m diving in.

  • Travis Fisher

    Have you looked at the stylish FF extension? Several people have made better UI’s for Toodledo.

    But I think it boils down to all the powerful options of Toodledo vs. the clean minimalism of Wunderlist.

  • Anonymous

    Funny, it feels like I wrote this post. I too am looking for wunderlist to save me from RTM, but no reoccurring tasks and the simple task adding syntax of RTM are huge roadblocks. RTM is probably what I should be using, but I’m reluctant to pay $50 a year for the pro version ($25 x 2 as my wife and I would need to be on the same platform to share tasks). I think it would be worth the money spent, but with free alternatives I just can’t seem to bring myself to pay for it.

  • http://twitter.com/akrde akrde

    “Unfortunately, though, for now I remain a reluctant Remember the Milk user.”

    Unfortunately? RTM is one of the best ToDo managers in the market, simple and effective with it’s unbeatable smart list system. I’m very happy with it and a Pro user now.

    Evernote + Instapaper + RTM = Perfect information workflow!

  • http://twitter.com/brentajones Brent Jones

    Hi there,

    I just discovered Wunderlist today (and got here by searching “recurring tasks” which is mainly what I’m sad it doesn’t do well.)

    Couple things:

    1) RE: the add task syntax. It won’t get you all the way there, but you can apparently add tasks to specific lists through email. You put the list you want as the subject line, then the task (multiple tasks on separate lines). No extended support for due dates, notes, etc. though.

    2) Have you heard of Tracks? (disclaimer: I’m not involved with this project except that I’ve used it for a couple years) http://getontracks.org/ GitHub: https://github.com/bsag/tracks/tree

    It doesn’t tick all your boxes — it’s only the Web interface (there are some unpolished apps too, I think) and there’s no offline capability that I’m aware of.

    BUT — it’s free. And it’s self-hosted, so there’s no company to close up shop and no automatic updates to break stuff you like. Also I suppose if you code you can customize it.

    It also handles dates better than anything I’ve seen — firstly, you can set both a due date and a “show” date, so it functions as a tickler file (e.g. set “send birthday card to X” to show up a week before X’s birthday, automatically — I don’t even see it until then). That alone is awesome.

    Secondly, you can do recurring tasks pretty much any way you can think of:

    Daily: Every X day(s) or every workday. (e.g. water plants every five days)
    Weekly: Every X week(s) on [weekday(s)]. (e.g. weekly review every Friday, prepare for X class every Sun/Tues./Thur.).
    Monthly (here’s where it gets good): Day X of every Y months. (e.g. mail rent check on the 25th of every month) OR first/second/third/fourth/last [day of week] of every X month(s) (e.g. move car for street cleaning on the second Wednesday of every month).
    Yearly: Every [date] of [month] (e.g. cousin’s birthday every April 3) OR first/second/third/fourth/last [day of week] of [month] (e.g. Mother’s Day every second Sunday of May).

    And you can combine the recurring task and the tickler functionality — I can create a “put rent check in mail” recurring task due on the 25th of every month and set it to show up three days before it’s due, so it pops up on my list on the 22nd and I have a window of time to do it before it’s overdue. Works great for reminders of things that you have to do the next day too — if I need to take something to work on Thursday, I can set it up to be due Thursday (so I know when I need to take the thing) but have it show up on Wednesday (so I can remember to find/prepare/set it in front of the door).

    Other than that, you’ve got your standard contexts, notes, stars stuff. It’ll sync with iCal, which is handy sometimes. You can add tags to tasks, which some people like. Projects are baked in — you can view tasks by project (i.e. tasks across all contexts that are part of a single project) and make project-wide notes. It also does hidden projects and contexts which I find useful.

    Sounds complex, but I prefer to think of it as flexible.

    But yeah, Web-only, not offline and not “slick” like Wunderlist (or some of the others you mentioned). If only someone would merge the two.

  • http://www.the20life.com David Pierce

    It IS great, I totally agree. But I saw, and see, such promise in Wunderlist that I really wanted it to work for me. Shame that it didn’t, but I sure won’t complain as an RTM user. Except maybe a little.

  • http://twitter.com/c0n0r Conor Schutzman

    I have been swapping back and forth from ToodleDo and Wunderlist for months now. Like you, I *WANT* to use Wunderlist, but the lack of repeating ToDos is just a deal breaker for me.

    For now, I use Toodlo for most of home tasks. Then I use Wunderlist for work (as my current job has very little repeating tasks), and for shopping lists.

    I used to use GetSandy, and it was wonderful. It literally was my perfect GTD app. Then someone bought it and killed it. I’ve tried Things for the Mac, and RTM, amung others, but am still struggling to find what GetSandy offered.

  • http://www.the20life.com David Pierce

    I totally agree – GetSandy was AMAZING. I’m still really sad that’s gone. I’ve also had pretty much exactly the same experience you have – using every app you can find, none working exactly right. RTM’s definitely the closest I’ve found, but not having a desktop app is starting to annoy me more and more. I think I’m stuck with it for now, though.

  • http://leetucksing.wordpress.com misterLTS

    I totally miss RTM’s smart add but wunderlist is Free on all devices. Great article!

  • http://www.jiaxu.de schuen

    no repeated tasks :-(

  • http://www.linkedin.com/in/ashujoshi Ashu Joshi

    I started using Wunderlist while waiting for the RTM iPad App. And I loved the simple and consistent interface across all platforms. There is no second guessing. And especially on the iPad they use the real-estate especially well. RTM iPad app appears complicated. I am watching how I use RTM & Wunderlist very carefully. And depending on how much I use the advanced features of RTM – I may chose NOT to renew my subscription in the next few weeks. What I like the most is that on every platform – Wunderlist has ALL the lists laid out nice and clean – and on RTM it is different with the iPad app & on the Web. 

  • http://twitter.com/fabio_s Fabio Oliveira

    You said just everything I always wanted in a task management!! I am right now trying Wunderlist and the two things you pointed out as the flaws are the ones that are bothering me as well: recurring tasks and syntax of adding tasks.

    It’s been a while and the latest version don’t even have the recurring tasks yet. And though I want so much to get rid of RTM, well, it won’t be this time…

  • http://pawelkosinski.tumblr.com Paweł Kosiński

    Wunderlist’s nice interface + recurring tasks + RTM like syntax = todoist. I use it for a few days and I think it’s very good app. I used to use RTM, GTG (desktop), TaskCoach (desktop, too), RTM, Toodledo for a while… and now I use todoist.

  • http://www.the20life.com David Pierce

    Todoist looks good, and definitely does one-up the interface of RTM. But where are the mobile apps? That’s the killer feature for me, and Todoist doesn’t seem like it has anything there. Am I missing something?

  • http://pawelkosinski.tumblr.com Paweł Kosiński

    Well, there are no official mobile apps for Todoist. It’s only “mobile version”: http://todoist.com/m/ If I’m right there is no possibility to mark tasks as done in mobile version.
    You can also find some unofficial apps for iPhone: http://www.uquery.com/search?q=todoist and Android: http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/todoist/by_matching . I use Todoist only on desktop so I can’t recommend any of these apps. Support say they are working on official apps apps for smartphones: https://todoist.com/Support/showQuestion/62/

  • http://twitter.com/BradHalcrow Brad

    Here here. I too am loving except the points you noted. 

    - Easily adding Due dates/times tomorrow@ 5pm
    - Recurring Tasks tomorrow.

  • Thomas

    Actually I am wondering about “You can add tags to tasks, which some people like.” While tags are on the feature list of Wunderlist because many people ask for it, they are exactly *not* available. How did you come to this conclusion? Am I missing something?

  • Ryan

    I always thought having an api that supports the various services would be ideal. Create an interface or cli client and then use the api for any of the services that support it. Not perfect but I think it would get me closer :)

  • http://notesfromthecellar.com Steve Paulo

    I think you’re referring to Brent Jones’ comment, and he was describing Tracks, not Wunderlist.

  • Shea Martin

    It isn’t that ToodleDo is ugly for me, it is that it is painfully slow.  When adding a task on iPhone, if I want to set category, alarm, and a note, that feels like 40 clicks.  I literally dread adding a task.

    And because there are no native win or mac programs for it, I don’t get reminders on my computer.

    Sadly, I am still using ToodleDo app, and the (paid)upgraded version of their website.

    I think one of the best task management systems was syncing blackberry tasks with outlook. Simple, effective, and in both places I needed my stuff to be. I am beginning to wonder if GTD, type lists actually slow me down, as they feel like work.

  • Anonymous

    No, you’re not. The Todoist apps are lacking in features and polish. 

  • Anonymous

    No, you’re not. The Todoist apps are lacking in features and polish. 

  • Anonymous

    Repeating to-do’s belong on the calendar, I feel. At least that’s where mine go. 

  • http://www.finishyourproject.com Eric Johnson MBA

    I’m the same. I LOVE Toodledo. I don’t care about looks, it just helps me stay on track.  Thanks for posting this review.

  • http://www.unlikelyteacher.com Paul

    It appears we have the same taste. I’m coming from RTM (Remember the Milk) but wanted to move to Wunderlist because it’s available on all the platforms that I’m using. However, the lack of recurring tasks prevented me from making the jump. I guess it’s wait and see for now. Back to RTM for me.

  • Anonymous

    toodledo is my fav on the web.. but no mobile versions = FAIL

  • einer

    you should try 2do, which is quite pretty and it syncs with toodledo. 

  • Anonymous

    The almost unforgiving web-app is a dealbreaker for me. I cancelled my subscription after finding both Things and Wunderlist much more flexible.

  • http://www.productiveorganizer.com Kyith

    I realise no one makes the most flexible to do list platform. if they make this they will earn alot of money

    1) looks minimalist (not ugly)
    2) subtasks (2 or more levels)
    3) repeating or recurring tasks 
    4) tagging
    5) uniquitous (web, iphone, android, wp7, bb)

    The closest is really MyLifeOrganized (MLO)

    The one that could be this is google tasks with its extensive api but it does not do repeating!

    If anyone have somethiing like this i would be very impress

  • Guest

    No mobile versions?

    The Toodledo iPhone app has been in existence for a long time now

    There are also numerous third party Toodledo apps for the Android platform as well

  • tplusfive

    Lack of desktop app is also huge minus for me with RTM.  And having to pay for iPhone app (unless you’re OK with only sync’ing once every 24 hrs). I also am continuing with RTM but will definitely give Wunderlist a shot if they get recurring tasks.

  • Toodledo Lover

    If Wunderlist adds syncing to Toodledo to be able to import your To-Do list, then I will give WL as serious try. But having to input my complete To-Do list seems like a too big wall. Does anyone agree?

  • Andrew

    Kyith your list of requirements is pretty much exactly what I came up with, although I would also have to add

    6) Set priorities – High Med Low | Red Amber Green
    7) Sort buttons – Due Date | Priority

    I will have to check out MLO. 
    Closest I’ve found is ToDo (Appigo) and Organize (Task Fabric).

  • Andrew

    Just checked out MLO quickly and although it looks like it’s packed with features, I was immediately put off by the UI and design. My first through was Windows 2000… eewww.

    If I’m gonna be starring at this thing all day I need it to be easy on the eye. What a shame Wunderlist is still lacking some essential GTD features.

  • http://www.productiveorganizer.com Kyith

    think for new users its great. 

  • http://www.productiveorganizer.com Kyith

    ah shucks andrew! thought you will like it. yes its interface did not improve much since then but to be honest if you concentrate on whether it can help you it can really be great.

    i do endorse your requirement 6 and 7.

    to provide so many views and features MLO becomes abit omre complex.

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